Re: GG Wagner's "Siegfrid Idyll "

[Jost Ammon <Jost.Ammon@gmx.de>]

There is no noun like "der Untergeher" in German.

 

There is

 

1. the verb "untergehen"

(= "sink" as in "das Schiff sinkt" or "perish" as in "das Römische Reich ist untergegangen")

 

2. the noun "Untergang"

(= "shipwreck as in "der Untergang der Titanic" or "decline" as in "der Untergang des Römischen Reichs")

 

So the "Untergeher" is "the one who perishes" or in a mimetic translation (of which I don't know if it works) "the perisher" or "the failurer".

 

"The Loser" is not half as devastating as "The Untergeher".

 

Some EUR 0,02

 

Jost  

----- Original Message -----

From: Elmer Elevator

To: F_MINOR@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU

Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:23 PM

Subject: Re: GG Wagner's "Siegfrid Idyll "

Hmmm ... www.freetranslation.com my robot translator is off line and my German sux, but wouldn't "Der Untergeher" be "the person who goes/travels under things" -- sort of an artistic spelunker who voyages to the deepest parts of an art? I think that's the sense of it ... interesting to know what English translation was chosen for it.

 

Bob / Elmer

-----Original Message-----
From: Lluís Manent (Teleline) <manent@TELELINE.ES>
To: F_MINOR@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU <F_MINOR@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU>
Date: Monday, April 08, 2002 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: GG Wagner's "Siegfrid Idyll "

 

 and the novel of Thomas Bernhard (Der Untergeher -I don't know the title in english!)...