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hey guys some of you mentioned the chopin recordings. I have a recording of him doing the 3rd sonata, it's bizzare, extremely straight / strict tempi etc. I'd love to hear a recording of Liszt "au bord d'un sorce", he used to play it as a student I believe.
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> 1. Movie (f h)
> 2. Beethoven Piano Sonata 13 (f h)
> 3. Ravel (f h)
> 4. Re: Beethoven Piano Sonata 13 (Tim Conway)
> 5. Re: Ravel (Brad Lehman)
> 6. RE: Ravel (Reinhold, Christiane)
> 7. RE: Ravel (f h)
> 8. Re: Ravel (f h)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:41:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: f h <boyboy_8@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [F_minor] Movie
> To: "Houpt, Fred" <fred.houpt@rbc.com>, F_MINOR@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU,
> "Reinhold, Christiane" <christiane.reinhold@bearingpoint.com>
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> Hi all. Just finished watching "32 short films of GG". This was now my 2'nd full viewing of the film. I must say that my appreciation of it today is completely different than years ago. Like a very good red wine, it has aged well. I cannot say highly enough that this movie is essential GG material and all fanatics amongst us should endeavor to find a copy to enjoy.
>
> Listened to first 1/2 hour of "The idea of north" a few nights ago. Simply incredible what he was doing with the mixed voices. A mind altering experience. I am left with the feeling that GG was one of the most avante guard artists of the 20'th C. Had he succumbed to all the pressures and compromised his being to adapt to what people expected of him, we would have been robbed of his essential genius. His rebellious but brave decision to withdraw into a world that he could totally control might not be our idea of life but it was his. And thank goodness for that.
>
> A day without GG is simply less.
> IMHO.
>
> All the best
>
> Fred Houpt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:46:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: f h <boyboy_8@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [F_minor] Beethoven Piano Sonata 13
> To: "Reinhold, Christiane" <christiane.reinhold@bearingpoint.com>,
> F_MINOR@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU, "Houpt, Fred" <fred.houpt@rbc.com>
> Message-ID: <579156.88384.qm@web34308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> http://billturner.vox.com/library/audio/6a00c11412f7cac40800c114132ef1c408.html
>
> That is an excellent and very clean recording of GG doing the second mvt of B #13
>
> superb
>
> Fred Houpt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: f h <boyboy_8@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [F_minor] Ravel
> To: Etha Williams <diftorhehsmusma@gmail.com>,
> f_minor@email.rutgers.edu, "Houpt, Fred" <fred.houpt@rbc.com>
> Message-ID: <200038.49843.qm@web34301.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Hi all. I have just stumbled upon a GG recording/movie that is entirely new to me. I am totally dumbfounded and knocked senseless.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-7fbHBvOY&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgus9CfwKc&feature=related
>
> I hope that the links will play for you. This is GG's entirely new rendition of Ravel's "La Valse". I am blown away. GG has captured the inner essence of this music much more ably than most orchestral versions.
>
> Now, this is what I call good "shock and awe".
>
> What do you all feel?
>
> Wow.....
>
> Fred Houpt
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:22:02 +0800
> From: Tim Conway <timcon@comswest.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [F_minor] Beethoven Piano Sonata 13
> To: f_minor@email.rutgers.edu
> Message-ID: <B2BB27BA-2688-4DE5-801D-1AC1C7E255B1@comswest.net.au>
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>
> Frank wrote:
>
> > http://billturner.vox.com/library/audio/6a00c11412f7cac40800c114132ef1c408.html
> >
> > That is an excellent and very clean recording of GG doing the second
> > mvt of B #13
> >
> > superb
>
> The Sony CD of GG's Beethoven sonatas 12 and 13 is about my favourite
> CD of his (mine is the Sony Japanese version published in 1983; the
> recordings are from 1979 and 1981. The CD serial number is 35DC 105. I
> can't tell you any more because apart from the front cover and the
> printing on the CD, just about everything else is in Japanese). The
> billturner.vox recording sounds identical to the CD.
>
> Wagner said of Beethoven's seventh symphony that he thought it was
> “the apotheosis of the dance”, which I take to mean that Wagner
> thought it was real toe-tapper. GG's sonatas 12 and 13 have sections
> that, to me, are more toe-tapping than even the best recordings of the
> seventh. Strongly recommended (the 12/13 CD, that is).
>
>
> -- Tim Conway
> Geraldton, Western Australia
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:15:31 -0400
> From: Brad Lehman <bpl@umich.edu>
> Subject: Re: [F_minor] Ravel
> To: f_minor@email.rutgers.edu
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> f h wrote:
> > I hope that the links will play for you. This is GG's entirely new rendition of Ravel's "La Valse". I am blown away. GG has captured the inner essence of this music much more ably than most orchestral versions.
> >
> > Now, this is what I call good "shock and awe".
> >
> > What do you all feel?
>
> I won't speak for anybody else in the "shock and awe" you're hoping
> they'll feel, but I like both of Leonard Pennario's recordings of that
> piece better than Gould's. Abbey Simon's is excellent, too. Better
> elegance and control of tone. Pennario's first one was from 1954, and
> it even has better *sound* than this Gould TV performance (which I have
> on the 1989 Nuova Era CD).
>
> There's lots of flashy and fast finger-work, sure, and Gould was great
> at that...but some of these other pianists sublimated those notes even
> better into a colorful texture. I'm disappointed that Gould didn't do a
> proper studio recording in better sound, beyond this video show-off venture.
>
> You can get the Sony CD of this Gould video at:
> http://www.amazon.com/Glenn-Gould-Krenek-Webern-Debussy/dp/B0000028O5
>
> Pennario's first one:
> http://www.amazon.com/Leonard-Pennario-Early-Years-1950-1958/dp/B000JCEB1I
> (but his stereo remake was even better)
>
> Simon's:
> http://www.amazon.com/Ravel-Complete-Music-Solo-Piano/dp/B000001K24
>
> The composer's own published piano score is readily available here cheap:
> http://www.amazon.com/Tombeau-Couperin-Other-Works-Piano/dp/048629806X
> It has some extra lines above the staff showing what some of the other
> orchestral instruments are doing in the original. Gould added some of
> these optional notes back into his keyboard interpretation...which isn't
> to say that Ravel's arrangement necessarily *needed* such further
> elaboration!
>
>
> Brad Lehman
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:41:46 +0100
> From: "Reinhold, Christiane" <christiane.reinhold@bearingpoint.com>
> Subject: RE: [F_minor] Ravel
> To: <boyboy_8@yahoo.com>, "Etha Williams" <diftorhehsmusma@gmail.com>,
> <f_minor@email.rutgers.edu>, "Houpt, Fred" <fred.houpt@rbc.com>
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>
> GG's transcriptions in general are very good (the Ravel indeed - compare
> with the original four-handed version on youtube with Martha Argerich -
> to me too muddled and furious compared to GG's - for all trhe activity
> you can't appreciate the music); also check out Wagner's Meistersinger
> piece he did, the two Beethoven Symphonies, 5 and 6 (the Pastoral is
> incomplete) and others.... some he never recorded but only played for
> his own enjoyment at home (R. Strauss, etc.). Would there be private
> recordings languishing in the Gould collection in Ottawa?
>
> Christiane Reinhold, Ph.D., PMP
> Manager, Public Services
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: f_minor-bounces@email.rutgers.edu
> [mailto:f_minor-bounces@email.rutgers.edu] On Behalf Of f h
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:23 PM
> To: Etha Williams; f_minor@email.rutgers.edu; Houpt, Fred
> Subject: [F_minor] Ravel
>
> Hi all. I have just stumbled upon a GG recording/movie that is entirely
> new to me. I am totally dumbfounded and knocked senseless.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-7fbHBvOY&feature=related
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgus9CfwKc&feature=related
>
> I hope that the links will play for you. This is GG's entirely new
> rendition of Ravel's "La Valse". I am blown away. GG has captured the
> inner essence of this music much more ably than most orchestral
> versions.
>
> Now, this is what I call good "shock and awe".
>
> What do you all feel?
>
> Wow.....
>
> Fred Houpt
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:00:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: f h <boyboy_8@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [F_minor] Ravel
> To: Etha Williams <diftorhehsmusma@gmail.com>,
> f_minor@email.rutgers.edu, "Houpt, Fred" <fred.houpt@rbc.com>,
> "Reinhold, Christiane" <christiane.reinhold@bearingpoint.com>
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> Christiane:
>
> you have heard GG's Richard Strauss album, eh? I own a copy (a CBS recording I think) and I consider it to be a gem of great worth. The documentary I mentioned some time back about GG, I guess the most recent of many, has rare clips of GG at home doodling on pieces he would never do publicly like Mendelssohn (just a few bars) and other stuff. I have yet to hear GG do Chopin although I have read that he played it mercilessly.
>
> Someone wrote (can't recall where I read this) that GG attacked Mozart's' music contrapuntally in a way to show his displeasure. Good explanation.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fred
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Reinhold, Christiane <christiane.reinhold@bearingpoint.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Reinhold, Christiane <christiane.reinhold@bearingpoint.com>
> > Subject: RE: [F_minor] Ravel
> > To: boyboy_8@yahoo.com, "Etha Williams" <diftorhehsmusma@gmail.com>, f_minor@email.rutgers.edu, "Houpt, Fred" <fred.houpt@rbc.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 11:41 AM
> > GG's transcriptions in general are very good (the Ravel
> > indeed - compare
> > with the original four-handed version on youtube with
> > Martha Argerich -
> > to me too muddled and furious compared to GG's - for
> > all trhe activity
> > you can't appreciate the music); also check out
> > Wagner's Meistersinger
> > piece he did, the two Beethoven Symphonies, 5 and 6 (the
> > Pastoral is
> > incomplete) and others.... some he never recorded but only
> > played for
> > his own enjoyment at home (R. Strauss, etc.). Would there
> > be private
> > recordings languishing in the Gould collection in Ottawa?
> >
> > Christiane Reinhold, Ph.D., PMP
> > Manager, Public Services
> >
> > BearingPoint
> > Management & Technology Consultants
> >
> > 301 Congress Avenue, Suite 1500
> > Austin, TX 78701
> > USA
> >
> > T + 1 512 542 5351
> > C + 1 512 680 7537
> > F + 1 512 382 3386
> >
> > www.bearingpoint.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: f_minor-bounces@email.rutgers.edu
> > [mailto:f_minor-bounces@email.rutgers.edu] On Behalf Of f h
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 9:23 PM
> > To: Etha Williams; f_minor@email.rutgers.edu; Houpt, Fred
> > Subject: [F_minor] Ravel
> >
> > Hi all. I have just stumbled upon a GG recording/movie that
> > is entirely
> > new to me. I am totally dumbfounded and knocked senseless.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-7fbHBvOY&feature=related
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTgus9CfwKc&feature=related
> >
> > I hope that the links will play for you. This is GG's
> > entirely new
> > rendition of Ravel's "La Valse". I am blown
> > away. GG has captured the
> > inner essence of this music much more ably than most
> > orchestral
> > versions.
> >
> > Now, this is what I call good "shock and awe".
> >
> > What do you all feel?
> >
> > Wow.....
> >
> > Fred Houpt
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:04:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: f h <boyboy_8@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [F_minor] Ravel
> To: f_minor@email.rutgers.edu, Brad Lehman <bpl@umich.edu>
> Message-ID: <77978.61030.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Hi Brad. I was unaware of previous recordings of the Ravel. I will try to find them in the future. All in all I was very entertained with GG's version, having heard the orchestral version many times, I was familiar with the music. I think that we can agree that in his hands the concert grand piano was an excellent substitute for an entire orchestra. He just knew how to bring all the parts of an orchestra into the body of the piano and make it work.
>
> Does anyone have a clip we can watch of him doing Chopin? I don't believe I've seen one yet on the net. That would be too funny. Maybe not for Frederick, but for this Fred, yes!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fred Houpt
> Toronto
>
> Happy Canada Day!!!!
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Brad Lehman <bpl@umich.edu> wrote:
>
> > From: Brad Lehman <bpl@umich.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [F_minor] Ravel
> > To: f_minor@email.rutgers.edu
> > Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 11:15 AM
> > f h wrote:
> > > I hope that the links will play for you. This is
> > GG's entirely new rendition of Ravel's "La
> > Valse". I am blown away. GG has captured the inner
> > essence of this music much more ably than most orchestral
> > versions.
> > >
> > > Now, this is what I call good "shock and
> > awe".
> > >
> > > What do you all feel?
> >
> > I won't speak for anybody else in the "shock and
> > awe" you're hoping
> > they'll feel, but I like both of Leonard Pennario's
> > recordings of that
> > piece better than Gould's. Abbey Simon's is
> > excellent, too. Better
> > elegance and control of tone. Pennario's first one was
> > from 1954, and
> > it even has better *sound* than this Gould TV performance
> > (which I have
> > on the 1989 Nuova Era CD).
> >
> > There's lots of flashy and fast finger-work, sure, and
> > Gould was great
> > at that...but some of these other pianists sublimated those
> > notes even
> > better into a colorful texture. I'm disappointed that
> > Gould didn't do a
> > proper studio recording in better sound, beyond this video
> > show-off venture.
> >
> > You can get the Sony CD of this Gould video at:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Glenn-Gould-Krenek-Webern-Debussy/dp/B0000028O5
> >
> > Pennario's first one:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Leonard-Pennario-Early-Years-1950-1958/dp/B000JCEB1I
> > (but his stereo remake was even better)
> >
> > Simon's:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Ravel-Complete-Music-Solo-Piano/dp/B000001K24
> >
> > The composer's own published piano score is readily
> > available here cheap:
> > http://www.amazon.com/Tombeau-Couperin-Other-Works-Piano/dp/048629806X
> > It has some extra lines above the staff showing what some
> > of the other
> > orchestral instruments are doing in the original. Gould
> > added some of
> > these optional notes back into his keyboard
> > interpretation...which isn't
> > to say that Ravel's arrangement necessarily *needed*
> > such further
> > elaboration!
> >
> >
> > Brad Lehman
> > _______________________________________________
> > F_minor mailing list
> > F_minor@email.rutgers.edu
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