From: "Robert Merkin" <bobmerk@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: bobmerk@earthlink.net
To: "F_MINOR@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU" <F_MINOR@email.rutgers.edu>
Subject: RE: [F_minor] Re: Cornelia Foss reveals all!!!
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:13:00 -0400
Well uhhh back in my college days there was a joke about being a trisexual.
Someone would ask, "What's a trisexual?" And you'd reply: "I'll tri
anything once."
> [Original Message]
> From: paul wiener <pwiener@ms.cc.sunysb.edu>
> To: <bobmerk@earthlink.net>; Houpt, Fred <fred.houpt@RBC.COM>;
F_MINOR@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU <F_MINOR@email.rutgers.edu>
> Date: 8/27/2007 12:49:54 PM
> Subject: RE: [F_minor] Re: Cornelia Foss reveals all!!!
>
> Yes, I agree with you. It was just a minor oversight of our
> discussion. But what is the fifth sex?
>
> At 12:44 PM 8/27/2007, Robert Merkin wrote:
> >Victor Borge asked the audience for requests, and someone yelled
"Bach!"
> >
> >Borge replied, "Johann Sebastian? Or Offen?"
> >
> >But I assume you mean George rather than Ira.
> >
> >George Gershwin had an intense ten-year affair with Kay (nee Katherine)
> >Swift, a composer with the distinction of being the first woman to
score
a
> >(successful) Broadway musical, "Fine and Dandy" (1930). When she met
> >Gershwin (like Foss, she was married with kids), she was
Julliard-trained
> >(before it was named Julliard) and a somewhat snooty classical-only
> >worshipper. Gershwin pursuaded her to explore popular music. Besides
the
> >jazz standard "Fine and Dandy" she wrote the classic torch ballad,
"Can't
> >We Be Friends?" (I have Bing Crosby crooning it.)
> >
> >Her first husband, the banker Jimmy Warburg, wrote her pop lyrics,
> >apparently to compete with Gershwin in the tug of war for her
affections.
> >
> >A much richer biography, and plenty more interesting stuff (including
> >photos of a Very Attractive Flapper), is at the website of the Kay
Swift
> >Trust:
> >
> >http://www.kayswift.com/bio.html
> >
> >Meanwhile, I'm a little surprised that several of today's posts imply
that
> >the human libido only comes from the factory in two strictly separate
> >varieties, Straight or Gay. There's a third possibility about some of
the
> >musicians we're mentioning.
> >
> >And, in my experience, a fourth possibility. Maybe a fifth. We take it
for
> >granted that great composers go all over the emotional landscape, from
holy
> >to vulgar, from joy and rapture to grief and melancholia. Is it likely
that
> >the romantic and sexual identity of such people would be comfortably
> >trapped in just one of two rigid categories?
> >
> >Bob / Massachusetts USA
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Houpt, Fred <fred.houpt@rbc.com>
> > > To: paul wiener <pwiener@ms.cc.sunysb.edu>; yuzu
<yukaz36@hotmail.com>;
> ><f_minor@email.rutgers.edu>
> > > Date: 8/27/2007 10:16:19 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [F_minor] Re: Cornelia Foss reveals all!!!
> > >
> > > Beethoven had lovers, that much is pretty much accepted. And he
most
> >likely used the ladies of the night as well. Copeland and Rorem were
gay?
> >See how little I know......
> > >
> > > And, lest we forget, Leonard Bernstein was bi. Wasn't Gershwin gay?
> > >
> > > Fred
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: paul wiener [mailto:pwiener@ms.cc.sunysb.edu]
> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:10 AM
> > > To: Houpt, Fred; yuzu; f_minor@email.rutgers.edu
> > > Subject: RE: [F_minor] Re: Cornelia Foss reveals all!!!
> > >
> > > Opposite sex ? Copeland? Ned Rorem?
> > >
> > > Beethoven? (do prostitutes count?)
> > >
> > > At 09:20 AM 8/27/2007, Houpt, Fred wrote:
> > > >Hi all. I have no problem with imagining Glenn having a love life,
> > > >even a sexually open one. What I do have a problem imagining, is
him
> > > >letting a lover touch, grasp or squeeze his hands. Laugh as you
will
> > > >at my innuendo, but that is the one thing I cannot see him
allowing.
> > > >Platonic love? Nah, Glenn seemed way too passionate and in the arms
of
> > > >a women I can just see him acting in a much more relaxed
> > > >way....physically. But, we do not really know any of this for
sure.
> > > >
> > > >It makes me think out loud on the topic of having sexual relations.
> > > >Let's take a vote amongst ourselves. Which famous composer never
had
> > > >relations with the opposite sex?
> > > >
> > > >Brahms? Nah, too many prostitutes all around his early days.
> > > >Schubert? Ditto.
> > > >Vivaldi? Don't know anything about his life really.
> > > >
> > > >Anyone else have any ideas?
> > > >
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >
> > > >Fred Houpt
> > > >Toronto
> >
> >
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