Re: Too snobby for your fez

[André Møllerhaug <andre.mollerhaug@STUDENT.UIB.NO>]

I must also put my finger in for sir Anthony. Indeed "Hannibal" is not the
greatest movie ever, but Hopkins is the guy discovered by Olivier...! (If i
remember correctly...)

When concerns sosial snobbery in music, I dont think anything is worse than
the "I am not a music snob, I'm a true music lover" sortofthing. That's
because even talking about those things are impossible. What do we know? I,
personally, find a great pleasure in music, and there are music i despise.
What if that _is_ snobbery?

I don't care. Man is a stupidous being...

By the way, I was quite taken by mr. Woodcocks metaphysical intoxication...
I dont know if I should ask him, but now its too late I guess...


metaphysically yours,
andré møllerhaug

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kim Ponders" <kponders@EARTHLINK.NET>
To: <F_MINOR@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 1:47 AM
Subject: Too snobby for your fez


> Oh but Anthony Hopkins is such a sensual canabal. I think his love of
> classical music is supposed to add to the horror of his other hobbies,
ie.,
> the soothing savage beast effect.
>
> Another snob appeal question, and not related to your questions Bob
(sorry):
> on the connection (WBUR, on the web if interested) yesterday, the 2nd
hour's
> interview was with a composer who intermingles classical, esp. Bach and
> Mozart, with jazz. He talked about coming up against resistance all
through
> school and his argument was that adding improvisation to classical music,
or
> mixing say Bach with Thelonius Monk, keeps the music alive and brings it
> closer to the contemporary arena. Thoughts?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elmer Elevator" <bobmer@JAVANET.COM>
> To: <F_MINOR@EMAIL.RUTGERS.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 12:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Savage Beasts and All That / I don my fez
>
>
> > Here, let me put on my Snob Hat (a fez).
> >
> > I didn't mention Hannibal Lecter because I'm trying to compare the
> > highest achievements of music with the highest achievements of
> > literature ... and I think the Hannibal Lecter books and movies are sort
> > of mass-midcult mall-movie crappy. I don't think there's anything in
> > them (exept perhaps recipes) that can really inform thoughtful, educated
> > people.
> >
> > > Another question might be... Why are lovers of classical music so
> > often portrayed in a bad light in movies, plays, literature, etc.?
> >
> > > Is it reverse snobbery of a sort?
> >
> > That's an awfully good insight. I think it's Musical Xenophobia, a
> > resentment by people who, through their misfortunes of education, reach
> > adulthood believing that the doors to opera, Mozart, Bach, Beethoven,
> > Chopin etc., have been forever closed to them. And they resent it and so
> > enjoy these kinds of insults slung at lovers of classical music in the
> > movies.
> >
> > There's plenty of room in the human brain to love both Bach and Janis
> > Joplin. It's our educational traditions (fez-wearing music teachers)
> > which suggest the two kinds of music are hostile to one another and
> > can't survive together in a cultured mind and heart. How many music
> > teachers have given the hairy eyeball to a student who got caught
> > bringing his/her beloved CD of Pop du Jour to class?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > "Anne M. Marble" wrote:
> >
> > > > I'm fascinated with literature that suggests that a deep
> > > > love of the world's greatest music has utterly no
> > > > predictable effect on the human soul, and is as likely to
> > > > produce ghastly human beings as lovely and enlightened
> > > > ones.
> > >
> > > > The most deeply shocking examples, to me, have been
> > > > * "A Clockwork Orange," where the brutal sadist Alex has
> > > > a deep and sincere appreciation and love for Beethoven.
> > >
> > > How can you forget Hannibal?! He'll be so disappointed. :->
> > >
> > > I think people who love great music are more likely to have
> > > the patience to deal with life. Listening to great music
> > > (particularly great classical music) requires intelligence,
> > > some patience, etc. That doesn't mean we don't have problems
> > > dealing with the world now and then. (You should hear me
> > > cuss my computer out.)
> > >
> > > Another question might be... Why are lovers of classical
> > > music so often portrayed in a bad light in movies, plays,
> > > literature, etc.?
> > >
> > > Is it reverse snobbery of a sort? Or are these potrayals
> > > really that frequent? Maybe we're more likely to stand up
> > > and take notice of them because while they're not as
> > > frequent, they are usually shocking when they occur. And
> > > because that type of character is usually portrayed as
> > > charismatic.
>