I hope this is not too depressing, but, in reply to Karl's (I think it was Karl's) comment about GG's and Hvk's record sales: I worked at a big independent record shop in London from 1981 to 1988, and HvK records and tapes outsold GG's by at least 100 to 1, easily. So much for the UK's (self) image as a centre of culture. Leslie Jones