[f_minor] 81 and counting

Anita Monroe rubatoatm at gmail.com
Sat Sep 28 08:59:21 MDT 2013


Yes, he is still relevant to pianists.  Although he and Horowitz are poles
apart, there are some elements that connect.  Both did not
have "dead" spots in their music.  GG felt every line, although not in a
"romantic" way.  You could say that his focus had multi levels.
This is extremely difficult to do, and that quality is what is missing in
the younger players.  They have technical abilities but they don't
live each line.

A few weeks ago I was watching something on tv about the drama school that
Marilyn Monroe attended in New York, the same one that
trained Marlon Brando and many other actors during the 50's and 60's.  The
director was castigating a young actress as she was pouring
tea in a scene.  "No, no", he screamed, "you are not THERE doing it".  This
the crux of it.  You have to be "THERE" in every line, otherwise
the sound is dead.  It's a mental trick that some people can learn and
there are ways to do it.  For myself, I have developed that ability in
some pieces, but not enough to make me a professional...  Schnabel had it
all the time, or almost all the time. One of the people who trained him was
an opera singer who taught him the living flow of lines.  She did a good


On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Richard de Waard <mail at rdewaard.nl> wrote:

> Well said, Jörgen. And maybe it is time for another conference? :)
> Here in Amsterdam the "32 short films about Glenn Gould" will be publicly
> shown Nov 24th in Theatre Het Veem (http://www.toetsdestijds.nl/salon.html) together
> with a performance of the Goldberg Variations by Ivo Janssen, a Dutch
> pianist who recorded all Bach's keyboard works on his own Void label (also
> available in iTunes store). The program also mentions Laurel & Hardy!
> So, Glenn Gould is still talked about. And I am looking forward to Nov 24.
> Richard
> Op 27 sep. 2013 om 17:35 heeft Jörgen Lundmark <jorgen.lundmark at mypost.se>
> het volgende geschreven:
> Hello Pat,
> I don't know if you can draw any conclusions by the lack of messages on F
> minor. The decline in activity on the group has been apparent for quite
> some years now. Also the number of regularly active members is quite low. I
> don't know how active other GG groups are -- Facebook, Yahoo etc -- so I
> can't say if this just F minor.
> I don't think that Gould was ever a true role-model for other pianists. He
> was just too individual and had abilities that prevented anyone from taking
> after him. The same with Horowitz and several others. The sad truth -- as
> far as I can judge -- is that the classical world is far more conservative
> and homogeneous now than during Gould's heydays. There are far less strong
> personalities now than it was 30 or 40 years ago (the 1980s was really a
> bad decade for classical music; so many of the greats died during those ten
> years). Having said that, Gould does seem to sell and being talked about
> still. Otherwise I don't think that Sony would have issued the impressive
> DVD box and Bach collection. Just recently BBC Music Magazine named Gould's
> 1955 Goldbergs the fourth best recording of all time and the first solo
> piano album in that list (Schnabel's Beethoven comes first on 16th place).
> So I don't think he's forgotten.
> The fact that Sony-BMG finally published a generous collection of Vladimir
> Horowitz' previously unreleased live recitals, and did a great job in
> restoring them, does indicate that there's still a chance that we might see
> unreleased Gould material on CD and DVD. I think it all depends on the
> sales of the above mentioned boxes, and also if there's someone at Sony-BMG
> who is working for this to happen. The problem might be that the later
> unreleased studio material is mostly unrelated single movements (Beethoven
> Scarlatti etc). Do correct me if I'm wrong.  There are on the other hand
> quite a lot of earlier studio recordings which would give us some CDs worth
> of new material. I'm a little worried that the Goldberg Deluxe box (with
> outtakes from the Goldberg 1981) seems to have been withdrawn and that the
> DVD "Why Mozart Became..." doesn't seem to have been realized yet. And I'm
> still waiting for a DVD with video outtakes from the Goldberg 1981... Any
> information on that or any coming release will be greatly appreciated.
> Generally speaking, Sony could do better as far as giving us fans more
> advance information.
> Speaking of information, any news on the upcoming Gould website? It is
> supposed to contain unpublished recordings and such.
> I don't think there's any reason to suggest that more or less historic
> recordings don't sell. To judge by the amount of boxes collecting the works
> of pianists, singers, conductors, string players the recent three or four
> years there must be a demand for older material. But I also do get a
> feeling that the increase in these editions suggests that the labels are
> trying to get as much out of these productions as possible before CD sales
> drop even further. I belong to the physical disk collecting species, but
> unfortunately we seem to become fewer and fewer in numbers. I hope I'm
> wrong.
> Regards,
> Jorgen
>   Hi all
> There was only one message regarding what would have been GG’s 81st.
> ...which leaves me with at least 2 questions:
> - Is GG still relevant for artists, thinkers, musicians, arrangers etc.
> today ? Some of his ideas are clearly outdated (his idea of what would
> later become the mixtape and is today known simply as a playlist in yer
> iTunes has now been surpassed by technology) ? Was his approach to
> composers like Bach or Mozart (add Beethoven if you want) so out of center
> it became unfashionable and there is a chance that aspiring pianists being
> fed up with Lang Lang and Pogorelich as role models might pick up GG’s
> approach as a pianistic inspiration again ?. That might be interesting,
> more eccentric diversification, more debate, less robot playing, more
> substance, less image.
> - Is there still enough in the vaults plus the infamous ice box of Sony
> and the CBC to justify “new” releases for the general public and not just
> the hardcore Gouldians ? GG is still dead, what remains is The Legend And
> Its Hagiography, but is that enough to sell records ? Especially to a new
> generation that has a different approach to classical music ? Mind you, we
> are talking about events that took place at least 60 years ago, to some
> people that is like what the last 6 million years are to a
> paleoanthropologist...
> I dunno. I might have more questions though. I like to ask silly questions.
> As an atheist I do not believe in the afterlife, but just in case there is
> the 0,.....00001 chance I am wrong- Happy Birthday Mr Gould !
> Pat
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