[f_minor] GG and films
pzumst
pzumst at bluewin.ch
Sat Sep 25 12:38:14 EDT 2010
Dear f_minor, Elaine, Stefy etc
Sefy, I'm sorry but aren't you a bit early with your birthday wishes ? Anyways, your 3D image is absolutely awsome !
Elaine, afaIk Thomas Harris wrote 3 novels about this Lecter bloke and GG has brief cameos in all of them being Lecter's favourite pianist. You haven't missed much if you haven't read them or seen the movies, the shock effect tends to wear off with time. There are definetly better page-turners out there.
If you mean the other documentaries by Bruno (Montsagenon) then I must warn you about Hereafter. This "documentary" is basically romantic Hero Worshipping kitsch. I must admit that it has some moments (list member myazawa-san gets to deliver a letter to a GG fan in Japan) and you will get to see a few previously unreleased clips. But this is not GG, this is how Monsieur Montsagenone thinks GG was or at least how he sees GG must be seen. In the movie he goes on at lennght on what a joy and privilege it was to work with GG, yadda yadda yadda. I found that pompous, the director of a documentary has nothing to do whatsoever in front of the camera. The scene with that girl getting a GB tatoo is pointless and doesn't illustrate anything and that other scene with the woman claiming that GG's music saved her life is just kitsch. Montsagenon sees GG as some kind of 19th century tragic hero like Byron, Shelley or Rimbaud and we all know that GG was quite the contrary. But do go ahead and watch it, make up your own midn, this is just my opinion.
Hold your breath for Genius Within. Based on the clips I have seen on youtube (before they were taken down), this is an interesting documentary, fun to watch and with a few surprises in store (i.e. The Foss Incident). Let's hope for a 2 DVD set (the long TV version please) plus extras and extended interviews after the cinema run. I can dream, can't I ?
Pat
From: Elaine Parks
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 5:44 AM
To: f_minor at glenngould.org
Subject: [f_minor] GG and films
Hi everyone,
Thanks for cluing me in on the SOTL, Hannibal etc. movies being based on novels. "Duuhh!" from me. Here I was being steamed at J. Demme and/or screenwriters bringing dear GG's name into the script (in one or both of the films? I'm not sure and don't care to know at this point). Not being a reader of that genre (and only seeing bits of the films) I hadn't been aware of the origin of the story lines. However I guess the author (Harris? sorry I did look it up but have forgotten his complete name already) is quite highly esteemed apparently so I say "a chaque un son gout" and hope that is spelled correctly. I am fond of old Vincent Price movies but my appreciation for horror stops there pretty much.
As for someone playing GG in a future film I hope it doesn't happen, though sometimes I think David Duchovny looks a tad like Glenn (but he's been in so many sex-themed shows let's not encourage it). The "Thiry-two" film is lovely but it still isn't Gould. I vote for cherishing his memory in the documentaries. I have a reissue of "On and Off the Record" by the NFB which probably many of you have too which has marvellous scenes of GG playing, walking about that old NY studio hiking up his pants, shirttail hanging out, sqeaking his chair to test how noisy it really gets (though I think they added some extra loud fake squeaks in the editing process), chatting with Howard Scott the producer and Don Hunstein the photographer etc. And he's so brilliant, handsome, riveting, funny. He's also in "The Golden Age of the Piano", briefly; and I have "Hereafter" and "The Alchemist" by Bruno Monsaingeon whose love and respect for Glenn shines through in his films. (I hope I can soon get the other ones made by Bruno.)
Thanks to Peter for sending in that wonderful link!
Cheers everybody, Elaine
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1. Re: GG as fave pianist/movies (pzumst)
2. Re: TEST (Timothy Conway)
3. Glenn Gould: Variations on an Artist (Peter Glenister)
4. Re: Glenn Gould: Variations on an Artist (pzumst)
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Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:31:35 +0200
From: "pzumst" <pzumst at bluewin.ch>
To: "Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould."
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G'day f_minor
I was able to check the end credits of SotL and these clearly state that it is NOT GG but Jerry Zimmerman performing. So we busted another myth (if there ever was one)....
I also just had a troll idea for a GG-themed movie. What about his last performance in L.A., seen from different perspectives by GG himself, the stage manager, a concert goer etc. Directed by the Cohen Brothers with a good buget and A-List actors. Probably won't be a howler at the box office, but could get critical acclaim. I can dream, can't I ?
Pat
From: stefyz71 at gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:40 PM
To: Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould.
Subject: Re: [f_minor] GG as fave pianist/movies
Hi all!
do you believe that the performer of the Goldbergs in The Silence of the Lambs (J.Demme 1991) is Glenn Gould?
download the SOTL excerpts below and (if you want) compare them with all the published 4 recordings of the GG Goldbergs
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?lis67w6jyzqp26p (Aria)
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?izk3c6tzmoxx53e (Variation n.7)
there is a discussion about that also on wikitalk ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AGlenn_Gould )
"I am intimately acquainted with both Gould recordings and with excerpt heard in SOTL - which is definitely not Gould. I believe the confusion arises from the SOTL novel, in which Hannibal Lecter is in a hotel room after his escape, listening to Gould play the Goldberg Variations. I imagine getting the rights for Gould's recording for the film would have been expensive, and it was probably cheaper to hire a pianist to play them.THD3 (talk) 18:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)"
I'm honestly a lot more shocked and p****off about how the GG money were used lately by the Toronto Humane Society against animals, than the fact that the Bach Goldbergs were used in a fictional psyco-thriller movie as a sort of "God surrogate"...Anyway about movie soundtracks, average people do not even care to know the composer's name, so I'm afraid that this is not the way for GG to widen his admirers list.
Girard movie is of course a piece of art but imho the main actor was a wrong choice... Maybe only a very good bio-non-bio cult movie on him ? la "Amadeus" with his music as the main character could do the trick....and Ralph Fiennes or Sam Rockwell coud be imho good actor choices to impersonate him...
Best,
Stefy
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From: Elaine Parks
To: f_minor at glenngould.org
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:21 AM
Subject: [f_minor] GG as fave pianist/movies
Hi Michael and others,
I haven't seen/listened to that particular CD yet but will check it out.
I was always uncomfortable with the idea of GG's name/music associated with the "Silence.." and "Hannibal" movies 'cause I don't think he would have wanted to be in such creepy things, none of which I've been able to watch completely through. I just can't stomach that kind of violent imagery. What does everyone else think?
As for him being my fave pianist, when I heard his Bach Concerto 1 in D Minor with Bernstein I was hooked. I never tire of listening to his interpretations of Bach, Brahms, Byrd, Gibbons, and Sibelius (I've yet to hear all his Beethoven). It's the phrasing, tempo, and beautiful clarity of his playing that I find so mesmerizing. Who comes close, in their own way, since? I'm not that well versed in all this (help me out) but just from the radio I've heard some nice playing by Hewitt, Lortie and Ax.
But maybe for us it'll aways be Glenn...think of that Carly Simon song "Nobody does it better..."
Cheers, Elaine
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:59:39 -0700 (PDT)
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just an observation. recently i hopefully and expectantly listened to various
recordings. good ones, i guess. michelangeli"s lugano recital, ( a dvd ),
serkin's 80'th vienna recital, late beethoven, ( vhs ), cortot's schumann, cd,
arrau's chopin grand fantasie on polish airs, and brendel's farewell recital in
hanover. well, frankly, i felt , disappointed, and after a while, that i
was just listening to another typical 3 rd year juilliard student's
recital.------------------------ then i put on , in desperation, the cd " gg at
the movies". there was all the difference. give it a listen. and maybe you
can explain it .
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From: Timothy Conway <timcon at comswest.net.au>
To: "Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould."
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Hello All,
On 21/09/2010, at 3:59 AM, DJ Were-Panda wrote:
> Hello from Space Coast, Florida. -- DJWP
For all of you show responded, many thanks.
-- Tim
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:28:03 -0300
From: "Peter Glenister" <Peter.Glenister at msvu.ca>
To: "Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould."
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Subject: [f_minor] Glenn Gould: Variations on an Artist
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http://archives.cbc.ca/arts_entertainment/music/topics/320/
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:23:25 +0200
From: "pzumst" <pzumst at bluewin.ch>
To: "Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould."
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Mac users experiencing difficulties while trying to watch and listen to
these wonderful clips be advised that apparently the CBC has changed its
streaming format to Windows Media.
This can be avoided by installing Flip4Mac right here
http://www.telestream.net/flip4mac-wmv/overview.htm
Pat
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