[f_minor] book

Lynne Ittleman lynne.ittleman at gmail.com
Fri Jul 2 12:17:57 EDT 2010

as i am probably older
than many of you
MM class of 1972
i am thrilled to hear
of the outer directions members
of the f minor group
are going
i dont quite know what
melynda means but
i suggest that it was
our digression into
the newest "alternative" music
& whether or not GG would
have liked it
i found it stimulating
exciting & highly motivating
to learn more about it
so thank you whomever
posted the the non-electronic
varesian orchestral
non-instrumental music
we as musicians cannot stand still
glenn gould was as much hated
as loved
by his interpretations of bach
lynne ittleman

On 28 June 2010 12:52, Melynda Szabototh <melyndaszabototh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi to whoever is the organizer of this list,
> Could you please remove me from the list? I had unsubscribed some time ago,
> I guess before the change in management
> Thank you
> Melynda
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:33 PM, <velfred at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>   Thank you very much for the explnation.
>> Fred
>> --- On *Mon, 6/28/10, michael macelletti <mmacelletti at sbcglobal.net>*wrote:
>> From: michael macelletti <mmacelletti at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [f_minor] book
>> To: "Robert Merkin" <bobmerk at earthlink.net>, "Discussion of the Canadian
>> pianist Glenn Gould." <f_minor at glenngould.org>, "gail paynter" <
>> gmadoodat at hotmail.com>
>> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 7:53 AM
>>  sorry  about getting a little excited about the word haptic, but it does
>> seem to provide the missing term which describes the type of memory which
>> most pianists use. ( and often with disastrous results ! )     and i'm happy
>> to say, bob, that mr webster would totally agree with you is his fine book.
>> no difference to him either.  but , if i might be excused for a little
>> personal interpretation,  there may be a great difference. the term tactile
>> seems to have been sullied by previous use, it's connection with the " feel
>> " of , say, a fabric or  smooth piano keys. ( providing they aren't worn
>> ivories ! ).    haptic, on the other hand, happily ( sorry about that )
>> because of it's lack of familiarity, can easily make the bridge between
>> touch and mind to my way of thinking.          it even sounds psychological
>> !            i mentioned the disaster that can result in using this type of
>> memory for a  concert. it's always a temptation to rely upon  it because
>> most pianists will find that they can play a sonata without music ( and
>> without mind !! ) in just a few months. then they try to play it for a jury
>> exam or recital, they start to  " think " about the connections, and lo and
>> behold, all is lost.  their hand memory, or haptic memory was an illusion.
>>  and they slink away in disgrace.
>> i have a feeling that gg relied upon this type of memory to a certain
>> extent, in addition to his using great additional analytical skills. this
>> might explain his shaking in bed on the afternoon before a evening concert.
>> ( i mean, there are rather more than a few unnatural memory spots in the
>> goldberg, as anybody would admit who plays it )   it might also explain why
>> he used the loud  vacuum cleaner to distract his mind temporally  so that he
>> could get through the ascending sixths passage in the  last movement ( var 5
>> ) of  op 109. ( when suddenly, one day,  he couldn't play it ! )
>> well, just a little digression on a day when it's honestly too hot in
>> connecticut to do anything but think and then bother the f minors.   stay
>> cool if you happen to be on the unfortunate side of the equator.
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Robert Merkin <bobmerk at earthlink.net>
>> *To:* Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould. <
>> f_minor at glenngould.org>
>> *Sent:* Sun, June 27, 2010 11:39:10 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [f_minor] book
>> *Thanks for the cool new word! But ... how does "haptic" differ from
>> "tactile"?*
>> **
>> *Bob*
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* michael macelletti<http://us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mmacelletti@sbcglobal.net>
>> *To:* f_minor at glenngould.org<http://us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=f_minor@glenngould.org>; gail
>> paynter<http://us.mc824.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gmadoodat@hotmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:30 PM
>> *Subject:* [f_minor] book
>>  a  " must have " book for all gouldians :    " BRAVO FORTISSIMO " GLENN
>> GOULD , THE MIND OF A CANADIAN VIRTUOSO ,   by helen mesaros.  and , believe
>>  me, i've got them all.  this volume is  a veritable treasury of minutiae.
>> i.e. where and when did he practice on the nassau trip. ( and who was there
>> to witness it. ) , where was he when his teacher died, what bothered him the
>> most about retirement. the word, haptic ( i never saw it before! ) and the
>> beethoven 5.   enjoy!
>>  ------------------------------
>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----

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