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>Even if none was out here to listen, then, music would still be out there?

Yes, just as numbers are!, not our numerals though.

Music can only be appreciated by species with hearing, but 'numbers' are
probably unavoidable by species with 'intelligence'.   Music is whole
number information shared through the median of sound, but not all whole
number information is music.  (The first movement of the Appassionata
played by GG leaps (and grates) to mind!)  ;-)

Jerry

>> Oh no!  Music is out there, it's not contingent.
>>
>> I believe that the composer writes down the notes and patterns, drawing
>> >from his knowledge of the developments in music before him/her, and not
>> least importantly from his own previous developments.  Then he perfects
>> what he can and gives the
>> score to the world.  It's a code that's presented to other 'code readers',
>> and the biggest part of the subsequent performance by that code reader
>> comes from him, not from the original creator!  And that's the part we
>listen
>> for, because we can all (merely) read the code!
>>
>> Didn't GG get more out of Haydn's last sonata than anyone had before?  How
>> did he do that if the patterns weren't out there somewhere??  He never met
>> Papa Haydn, but he knew what H. was 'pointing at', and he had the ability
>> to reproduce it convincingly.  When I listen to his recording, I realize
>> that I've only been playing it disjointedly, all these years.
>>
>> I'm only being half serious, I hope that's been obvious.
>> It's a very idealistic to approach music and keeps it fresh for me, as a
>> lifelong student.  Feel free to destroy the notion, utterly!  I'll still
>> hold on to some essence of the idea.  ;-)
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> >    -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> >    Van: Elisha J Tseng <elisha-jt@juno.com>
>> >    Aan: f_minor@email.rutgers.edu <f_minor@email.rutgers.edu>
>> >    Datum: zaterdag 17 juli 1999 22:57
>> >    Onderwerp: GG:
>> >
>> >
>> >    Is life accompanied by music? or the other way around?
>> >
>> >    Cheers, Elisha